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Comments on news posted 2009-05-06 18:26:15: After losing in their effort to quash municipal broadband in North Carolina earlier today, Stop The Cap notes that Time Warner Cable and other regional incumbents are attempting to push a companion Senate version of their community broadband crushing.. ..

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Matt
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Actually, North Carolina is still DOCSIS 1.1. Yes, lame I know.

I spoke to TW Biz Class yesterday and the fastest they STILL offer is 2Mbps upstream unless you get a fiber drop. Yay for DOCSIS 1.1!


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An important clarification, thanks.


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lol

I guessing Tw can only lay fiber and no one else can?

even Sc is still on 1.1 but the old Adelphia networks here are on docsis 2.0


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What on earth?

Why in the hell is TWC so desperate to screw consumers?

First it's bandwidth metering and caps.
Next, it's no DOCSIS 3.0 for areas that fought them over caps.
Next it's lobbying the NC House to crush any potential competition, followed up by lobbying to the NC Senate to do the same.

TWC INVESTORS: Perhaps you should start discussing the need to replace the board, CEO, and upper management at TWC before they piss off so many people the company will completely crumble and your stock will be worthless. . .

Seriously, I don't remember a time when I've seen a single company to do so many things that result in so much bad press in such a short period of time.

Their CEO either has hard-on for a serious raise or internally they're seriously screwed and ready to collapse. I can't think of to much else that explains this kind of desperation.
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 TWC and others don't want taxpayer subsidized competitors

The reason for support of a law like this is that TWC and other private ISPs don't want to see public companies with taxpayer subsidized lower prices that don't reflect the real underlying costs.

That is a distortion of the free enterprise system and tries to hide TRUE costs inside of public budgets that encompass many different services(cross subsidization). In effect, public officials create a very large slush fund where they can hide their politically appointed cronies and where finding where that money came from is difficult, if not impossible.

And if the public broadband venture fails and is unable to payoff the bonds that are used to build out the system, then the taxpayers are left on the hook.

»www.bizjournals.com/dallas/prnew···/DC80943
According to a brand new report released today and authored by IPI senior fellow Barry M. Aarons, municipal broadband has been plagued by failure nearly every time it has been attempted, and at great cost to taxpayers.

When municipal broadband networks fail, it is the taxpayers who must pay for the loss. And municipal broadband systems have been expensive government failures in cities including, but not limited to, Philadelphia, Chicago, Portland and Orlando.

"When the marketplace drives the investment, the results are far superior to any instance when government tries to force a market," said Aarons.
Doc on the failures and the costs to taxpayers:
»www.ipi.org/IPI%5CIPIPublication···nElement
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Their CEO either has hard-on for a serious raise or internally they're seriously screwed and ready to collapse. I can't think of to much else that explains this kind of desperation.
Your heart has to ache for TWC's CEO Britt who "only" earned $14.4 last year, which is an 8% decrease from the previous year. And since the Great American Fiscal Meltdown only promises even more misery for anyone who is not a banker and/or a domestic auto manufacturer, realistically speaking, it is more profitable for Britt to run TWC into the ground as he can then safely escape via the built in golden parachute that is no doubt in place.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

And if the public broadband venture fails and is unable to payoff the bonds that are used to build out the system, then the taxpayers are left on the hook.
What's the difference? The taxpayers you're so worried about are already on the hook for about $700B and counting in bullshit bank bailouts.


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said by major marco See Profile :

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

And if the public broadband venture fails and is unable to payoff the bonds that are used to build out the system, then the taxpayers are left on the hook.
What's the difference? The taxpayers you're so worried about are already on the hook for about $700B and counting in bullshit bank bailouts.
Something I was completely against. Ventures should be ALLOWED to fail and the investors should bear the loss and not the taxpayers.
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Is the ban only for Government run ISPs or

Would it prevent me from starting an ISPs there if I wanted to.

If it is just the Gov I can understand, but if it is stopping an individual from starting an ISP I am 100% against it and dont even know if that(stopping a normal person from starting an ISP) is legal.


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Re: TWC and others don't want taxpayer subsidized competitors

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

The reason for support of a law like this is that TWC and other private ISPs don't want to see public companies with taxpayer subsidized lower prices that don't reflect the real underlying costs.

That is a distortion of the free enterprise system and tries to hide TRUE costs inside of public budgets that encompass many different services(cross subsidization). In effect, public officials create a very large slush fund where they can hide their politically appointed cronies and where finding where that money came from is difficult, if not impossible.

And if the public broadband venture fails and is unable to payoff the bonds that are used to build out the system, then the taxpayers are left on the hook.

»www.bizjournals.com/dallas/prnew···/DC80943
According to a brand new report released today and authored by IPI senior fellow Barry M. Aarons, municipal broadband has been plagued by failure nearly every time it has been attempted, and at great cost to taxpayers.

When municipal broadband networks fail, it is the taxpayers who must pay for the loss. And municipal broadband systems have been expensive government failures in cities including, but not limited to, Philadelphia, Chicago, Portland and Orlando.

"When the marketplace drives the investment, the results are far superior to any instance when government tries to force a market," said Aarons.
Doc on the failures and the costs to taxpayers:
»www.ipi.org/IPI%5CIPIPublication···nElement
Blah blah..seriously that's all I read from you just now. Aren't you a stock exchange trader for cable isps? What does your argument have ANYTHING to do with what Time Warner is doing lately? NOTHING, that's what.

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What is next for TWC?

If they lose this are they gonna send around their goon squad telling people to 'forgettaboutit', and if they don't, BAM?

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If you need money, it's ALOT different then a monopoly.

If TWC seriously needed money, and people were misundering the caps, that would be one thing. But trying to lobby a monopoly is ALOT different.

So TWC is dying for money, but obviously has enough to bribe any random politician for attempts at legislation?

It's getting pretty obvious that the executives running TWC think of laws the same ways the Mafia sees them.


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Re: Is the ban only for Government run ISPs or

said by me1212 See Profile :

Would it prevent me from starting an ISPs there if I wanted to.

If it is just the Gov I can understand, but if it is stopping an individual from starting an ISP I am 100% against it and dont even know if that(stopping a normal person from starting an ISP) is legal.
It is government subsidized ISPs that would be restricted. And it doesn't prevent them. It only makes sure the municipal broadband ventures are NOT subsidized by taxes from other services. In other words, the municipality isn't allowed to cover loses in broadband with profits from water or natural gas utilities.

Nothing would stop you from starting your own ISP. Depending, of course, on you getting franchise agreements from all the municipalities you might want to build in. And would those municipalities give those approvals if you would take customers from their own municipal broadband service?? Good question. And that is why a bill like this in NC is needed.

The actual proposed law:
»www.ncga.state.nc.us/Sessions/20···04v1.pdf
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Re: TWC and others don't want taxpayer subsidized competitors

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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

The reason for support of a law like this is that TWC and other private ISPs don't want to see public companies with taxpayer subsidized lower prices that don't reflect the real underlying costs.

That is a distortion of the free enterprise system and tries to hide TRUE costs inside of public budgets that encompass many different services(cross subsidization). In effect, public officials create a very large slush fund where they can hide their politically appointed cronies and where finding where that money came from is difficult, if not impossible.

And if the public broadband venture fails and is unable to payoff the bonds that are used to build out the system, then the taxpayers are left on the hook.

»www.bizjournals.com/dallas/prnew···/DC80943
According to a brand new report released today and authored by IPI senior fellow Barry M. Aarons, municipal broadband has been plagued by failure nearly every time it has been attempted, and at great cost to taxpayers.

When municipal broadband networks fail, it is the taxpayers who must pay for the loss. And municipal broadband systems have been expensive government failures in cities including, but not limited to, Philadelphia, Chicago, Portland and Orlando.

"When the marketplace drives the investment, the results are far superior to any instance when government tries to force a market," said Aarons.
Doc on the failures and the costs to taxpayers:
»www.ipi.org/IPI%5CIPIPublication···nElement
Blah blah..seriously that's all I read from you just now. Aren't you a stock exchange trader for cable isps? What does your argument have ANYTHING to do with what Time Warner is doing lately? NOTHING, that's what.
I am not a stock trader. I invest in mutual funds and have no control over what the mutual fund mgrs invest in. And whether I am invested in cable ISPs or not has nothing to do with the facts outlined above.
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Re: What on earth?

I'm sure that the upper level management has shareholders/bod pressuring them to make more profit or lose their jobs, including the 'measley' $14.4m salary


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Re: TWC and others don't want taxpayer subsidized competitors

I agree.. AIG, Chrysler, many banks, GM should have all been allowed to fail.


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Re: Is the ban only for Government run ISPs or

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

And that is why a bill like this in NC is needed.
Being a citizen in NC, I completely disagree with you on thinking this is bill needed in NC. Time Warner is continuously screwing over people in this state while they receive tax breaks by claiming they'll upgrade their systems with it. Between their constant whining about Wilson, NC and their lack of upgrading the old Adelphia systems they purchased in Mecklenburg/Cabarrus county (users get constant dropping and about half the speeds they pay for, but Time Warner gets to hide behind their little loophole that lets them offer to their "best ability" which they limit in the area through shoddy equipment), the time is now to start implementing a government run municipal that will use the profits it generates to further enhance the community that supports it.

It's rather humorous that you wish to take away the rights of the people in favor of the rights for a big business who works for stockholders and not its customers, while also giving more power to the larger governments over giving that power to the local governments. If a local government finds that the majority of its citizens support a specific project, then you as an outside and larger government bodies have no right to tell that city it is not allowed. That's what the promoting of small government is about.


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Re: TWC and others don't want taxpayer subsidized competitors

Those cited muni-broadband failures were WiFi failures Tk. Almost every "cable in the ground" muni deployment has so far been a resounding success -- even with the lawsuits thrown at them.


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said by Matt See Profile :

Those cited muni-broadband failures were WiFi failures Tk. Almost every "cable in the ground" muni deployment has so far been a resounding success -- even with the lawsuits thrown at them.
I seem to remember a few failures out in Utah. Provo & vicinity.
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It is government subsidized ISPs that would be restricted. And it doesn't prevent them. It only makes sure the municipal broadband ventures are NOT subsidized by taxes from other services.
And private enterprise would NEVER be given incentives at the taxpayer's expense now would they? You know, like tax breaks for example, free right-of-way, things of that nature?

What you fail to see is that municipalities don't want to be in this game. Where are the municipalities that are served by FiOS or Cablevision who are scrambling because of lack of deployment or pathetic speeds? If a private enterprise won't provide a service a city deems necessary and a municipal run network passes by a public VOTE, private enterprise needs to get the hell out of the way.
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