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| When the world's biggest semiconductor maker comes against I hope the jokes on this forum who defends these corrupt isps see their own stupidity now. When the world's biggest semiconductor maker has to defend themselves, it's pretty obvious the politicians are being bribed by TWC.
If they sign this, I hope they realize they will be fucking up their states future all for their bribe. |
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Re: more said by Mr Matt:  I guess Ayn would want all roads to be privately owned toll roads and all water/sewer systems to be privately owned so that consumers can be bled dry. Um, I freely (and proudly) admit that when it comes to Ayn Rand, I don't know a damn thing.
What I do know is that Time Warner is full of crap. They (and others) had ample opportunity to provide the service these people wanted and prevent someone else from moving in on their territory. They did nothing, leaving consumers to languish until they decided to do it for themselves. Now a competing network is in place delivering a product they have no hope of beating on quality or price. Now they are trying a different tactic: legislation.
But I have a special hatred reserved for this bill's sponsor, Rep. Ty Harrell. This man was elected to serve the people of his district. As a representative he is an absolute failure. The only way you don't understand legislation you are sponsoring is if you didn't write it, didn't research it or are only supporting it as a favor to an interested party. I'm not suggesting one has to be an expert on every subject that comes across your desk. Given the volume and breadth of issues you would encounter in that position, a lack of expertise in a given subject is understandable. But how do you argue in support of a bill when you can't even explain why it deserves an affirmative vote? Freely admitting you don't understand a bill you are standing up for is a breach of trust between you and your constituency. You betray your vow to serve the public good when you can't explain why a law would be in the public's best interest.
What ever happened to competence? What happened to accountability? What ever happened to research? Is it so hard to spend a little time researching a subject before deciding to vote yea or nea? There are a number of ways for someone in his position to educate himself on an issue, and if those methods fail there's always Google. Rep. Harrell has shown that his office is available to anyone who can make the appropriate donation to his re-election campaign. In that regard he is no better than ex-Illinois Gov.Rod Blagojevich and he should share a similar fate.
I'd love for some reporter to take this story and run with it, maybe look into the financials. I'd like to see Rep. Harrell's and others bad habits brought to the light of day for all to see. |
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 RayWPremium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
kudos:1 | reply to Metatron2008
Re: When the world's biggest semiconductor maker comes against said by Metatron2008:I hope the jokes on this forum who defends these corrupt isps see their own stupidity now. When the world's biggest semiconductor maker has to defend themselves, it's pretty obvious the politicians are being bribed by TWC. If they sign this, I hope they realize they will be .... up their states future all for their bribe. The politicos do not care, just as long as the bribe money flows, they essentially killed Utopia here in by prohibiting them from doing anything that can make money (a bill bought by Qwest). So instead of the 20X20 service I thought I might have by now I am still stuck with poor oppressed Qwest's 1.5X1...
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| bull crap and cap  the bull shit gets deeper deeper twc is becoming a company of shit in think i am going to dump them soon very soon will go back to dialup and get fios when it gets here and i was with them from day one .
twc is Swine Flu stay away |
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Re: more said by vzw emp :said by Mr Matt: I guess Ayn would want all roads to be privately owned toll roads and all water/sewer systems to be privately owned so that consumers can be bled dry. Um, I freely (and proudly) admit that when it comes to Ayn Rand, I don't know a damn thing. Ayn Rand extolled a belief system called "Objectivism," which hard-core Right Wingers claim to be the basis of Conservativism. And, Libertarians (founded in the early '70s by largely disaffected hard-core Right Wingers) claim as the basis of their political party.
The basic principle of Ayn Rand's belief is the "non-coercion" principle. In all matters there should be consent among individuals. That a group (society) can't validate the use of coercive force just because a majority take a vote to approve it.
Therefore, the OP's premise is that unless 100% of current (and future) residents consent to a government-run infrastructure or service (like police, fire, trash, sewer, water, library, fairgrounds, etc.) then it is "coercion."
Taking their belief system to its logical conclusion, there would be no "social contract." Every individual, on every day would be allowed to opt-out of things like national defense, air quality, animal welfare, food- and drug-quality regulation.
The real kicker is that they equate these macro issues to three thugs taking a "vote" to relieve you of your wallet in a dark alley. I.e., "forcing" people to pay for clean drinking water (when they might settle for dirtier water on a "free market" where they could "choose") has the same moral objection as a thug shoving a .38 into your ribs and taking your wallet.
This is why the Libertarian Party garners the same fractions of support today that it did 25 years ago. And, why we continue to see hard-core Right Wingers use absolutist rhetoric to criticize moderate Republicans, as the hard-core continues to slide into irrelevancy.
It sounds good. Everyone gets goose bumply when a complex world can be reduced to such simplistic terms. But, groups of people aren't simple. The issues that arise from group dynamics aren't simplistic.
And, that's why Rand opposed the creation of the Libertarian Party in the early '70s. She knew that her views were entertainment. Like Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. She didn't want to see her views put in a position where they had to be given practical effect.
She wanted them to remain as a fringe element of Republican party. Beating moderate Republicans with high-sounding, principle-based rhetoric. Where nobody would dream of holding the fringe group to the literal meaning of their own rhetoric.
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They do get serviced by cable services. The entire city does.
Cities should use their money more wisely instead of trying to become a business and compete. |
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if the City wants more "choices" then they need to talk with another cable company about overbuilding. Maybe WOW? RCN?
and Muni broadband only makes the citizens PAY MORE in TAXES when the network fails. TWC will run the network out and down they'll under cut and the people will lose in the form of taxes. |
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| said by hottboiinnc:TWC will run the network out and down they'll under cut and the people will lose in the form of taxes. TWC will do that after being given access to public rights of way, and easements?
Maybe, in addition to society owning the infrastructure, it should better regulate those it lets use that infrastructure?
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| Maybe you should build out a network the size of TWC so we can take that and regulate it.
Since people on here are all for a level playing field maybe TWC, Comcast, ATT, and VZ need to go to the states and make it set so those Muni networks have to be OPEN access for even them to use.
Hmmm.... after all it's owned by the people. |
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Re: This is ridiculous It is the government's job when the people's tax dollars are being brought in.
Why should my tax dollars go to Wilson because they think they can become a business and compete against the 2nd largest Cable company in the country? I should not have to support their business. The same as I do not support TWC by not having their service.
TWC provides the same services as Wilson. Embarq also offers full services. Wilson does NOT and most likely NEVER will offer full services to everyone. Why? they don't have to. they can cry we're out of money, we need more. They simply raise taxes and BOOM! More money.
Muni broadband needs to be stopped. If a city wants another provider then they need to give that provider tax breaks to come in and over build. Other wise do what they do best, spend money doing other things. Like giving themselves pay raises. |
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 atuarreHere come the drumsPremium
join:2004-02-14
College Station, TX | reply to hottboiinnc
Re: more That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. Those companies have their own network. They could provide access to the customers via fiber, coax, etc. They have that choice. They choose to offer what services they do. I am all for a better alternative if that is what the people want. That's the problem with these companies. Too many legislators are in their back pockets. |
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| penalty as a result of implementing caps and introducing anti-competitive strife in the broadband market.. most of the cable companies and AT&T should LOSE part of their footprint--losing status as a monopoly & duopoly.
3rd party providers.. with NEW builds.. not resell.
Cablevision & Verizon get a pass.. everyone else, get ready to lose market share, as your penalty. |
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Re: more said by hottboiinnc:Since people on here are all for a level playing field maybe TWC, Comcast, ATT, and VZ need to go to the states and make it set so those Muni networks have to be OPEN access for even them to use. Or, maybe those network providers should be required to negotiate their own rights of way (and easements) with every property owner along the path. Since "free markets" are so important?
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Re: This is ridiculous Ah, so it's OK for the government to build roads, offer public water, public schools and colleges, public transit, city garbage collection, mail service, public radio and TV, airports, sports stadiums, public healthcare, yet they shouldn't compete with private Internet providers? All of the things I mentioned compete with a private business, yet we've decided as a society that the government can offer them, yet you seem to think that broadband access is something that should be off-limits.
But since you're so opposed to government involvement in the private sector, how would you feel about doing away with private access to public rights-of-way? Let's kick the phone, cable, and electric companies off this land and force them to negotiate with each and every property owner to run their lines. That way, the market can decide what that access should cost. Can't get power at your house because the guy up the street from you wants $1 million to let the power company cross his property to reach your house? Tough luck. I guess you'll be buying a generator. Just make sure it doesn't run on natural gas because the lady who lives between you and the main pipeline owns a big part of the local diesel fuel distributor, so she won't grant access to her property at any price. I hope your yard is big enough for a large fuel tank.
Completely unregulated capitalism sounds great until you're the one getting stepped on by someone in pursuit of more money. |
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | reply to tmc8080
Re: penalty said by tmc8080:as a result of implementing caps and introducing anti-competitive strife in the broadband market.. most of the cable companies and AT&T should LOSE part of their footprint--losing status as a monopoly & duopoly. Agreed it's about time other major corporations called these creeps on the carpet who would cripple the US economy by neither competing or investing enough in the future. |
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 cchhat01Dr. Zoidberg
join:2001-05-01
Elmhurst, NY
·RCN CABLE
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| TWC = Economic Negativity I'm just not surprised by TWCs antics anymore. All they are trying to do is fill their wallets and provide minimal service benifits/upgrades.
They have completely defiled and denigrated the term "giving the consumers the best bang for the buck"
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 RadioDocYeah, like it matters.Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
La Grange, IL
kudos:2
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Re: more said by hottboiinnc:if the City wants more "choices" then they need to talk with another cable company about overbuilding. Maybe WOW? RCN? Yeah that'll happen. Have you looked at WOW's and RCN's finances lately? Considering what you've posted elsewhere do you even do rudimentary research before you post? |
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 BelinrahsI have an ego the size of a small planetPremium
join:2007-09-07
Nashville, MI | Just another example of greed First, the outrageous caps that they intended to put on their customers. They finally caved.
As a side effect, they decided to slow down on DOCSIS 3.0. Saves money.
Now, they intend to secure thousands (nope! millions, I meant) more in profits by preventing a perfectly legit, honest muni broadband setup from sharing in the stimulus funding and placing restrictions on them -- oh, I almost forgot, and making themselves (TWC) exempt to all of the restrictions.
I may be repeating, like, everything that you know. But I just had to put it out there. If I had TWC -- I'd be outta there faster than they knew.
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PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME!!! |
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Re: more TWC does offer FTTH/B services. It's called Business Class. If you want the speed and SLAs you pay for it.
And i bet you'd be singing a different tone if you were a business owner that this was happening to or a stock holder. |
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Why should we do that when States do that for us thanks to ATT and VZ FiOS. |
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