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"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."
Ayn Rand
A government run telecommunication system would qualify as interference in the economy. |
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join:2000-05-11 | Although Ayn forgets to say that sometimes those who gain the unearned benefit are the citizen consumers... |
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Qumahlin
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said by nc3090 :
A government run telecommunication system would qualify as interference in the economy.
It would also qualify as a interference in the economy if the government passed the bill and thereby affected local businesses and startups who need more then TWC provides.
So in this context your Rand quote is useless and wrong.
That and the fact that quoting Ayn Rand in general is idiotic unless your just trying to prove you agree with that line of extremist thought about business/government. |
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KrK
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said by nc3090 :
A government run telecommunication system would qualify as interference in the economy. A TWC bill that would in effect grant only incumbents an inherent monopoly and a "You can't have it until we do it" broadband solution would also qualify as interference in the economy.
You could also claim that having public schools is interfering with the economy because otherwise private schools would handle education.
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Skippy25
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And I would take that unearned benefit for the consumer over the unearned benefit for the corporation any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
If the people that this network will benefit have agreed and OK'd it being built, then the local incumbents and the elected politicians have no business trying to prevent it.
You can pull out all the government vs. private crap all you want, but at the end of the day it is the consumers and the voters that *should* get the final word.
Companies that don't like the playing field can just go away. They had their chance to serve them and elected not to. Let's not forget that. |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | reply to nc3090
I agree, but I hope TW looses. |
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ISurfTooMuch
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1 edit | reply to nc3090
said by nc3090 :
"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."
Ayn Rand
A government run telecommunication system would qualify as interference in the economy.
You make that statement as if unfettered capitalism is some sort of goal we must strive to attain at all costs. It isn't. Every single nation has a slightly different mix of market and state economic policies, often determined, at least in democratic societies, by what type of economy the electorate is comfortable with. And these economic models are never static, changing as conditions and voter preferences change.
My point is that, if the residents of Wilson, NC want muni-fiber, what right does TWC have to complain? There is no God-given right to make a profit. It all depends on what the electorate deem to be in their best interest. |
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me1212
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Pleasant Hill, MO | Who do you think will win?
In one corner TW in the other Google. |
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said by KrK :said by nc3090 :
A government run telecommunication system would qualify as interference in the economy. A TWC bill that would in effect grant only incumbents an inherent monopoly and a "You can't have it until we do it" broadband solution would also qualify as interference in the economy. You could also claim that having public schools is interfering with the economy because otherwise private schools would handle education. Bah, I agree! TWC should put up or shut up. If they can't/won't offer the service that these muni setups can and do well from the look of it and the voters and things that wanted this setup and got it going, incumbents like TWC and others have no business butting in and trying to stop it.
I'll be cheering on Google and others in opposing this. TWC deserves to get stomped for crafting crap like this that would give them an unfair advantage.
If companies like them put all the time and money they spent on bogus crap like this, back into the network, the "playing field" would be level and competitive. (At least speed wise.)
It'll be interesting to see what happens and how this goes. |
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John Keels
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Why does anyone care if a town owns its own network. I have no problem with it or with TWC providing their own service. The only reason TWC is afraid is because they know that Wilson can provide its residents a more affordable service than TWC can. That is TWC's problem to adjust their business model to stay profitable. It is not the GOVERNMENT's job to ensure and protect a company's business model. That is up to the executives and board of directors and middle management to keep the company going. Corporate welfare in the form of government protectionism to prevent loss of corporate welfare is not a free market principle. It is preventing competition. All of you stupid republicans who oppose this need to think about that yet you always want incumbent industries to be protected from competition which you so valiantly claim makes the economy effective. Go to &*&#!!!!! !@@&*(&#!!!!
Anyway, back to the business at hand. This is directly effecting me as I live in NC and will be writing my state representative to prevent this bill from passing. It is bad for NC and not bad for TWC either. They need competition to give them a little fork in the &**!!
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Don't forget private hospitals vs. county run.
I have to pay for both (taxes/medical/medicade/medicare cost me ~ thousands/year, and I'm forced to purchase private insurance which also costs me thousands/year - but I'm techically not allowed to use county because I have an address/SSN). |
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maybe the incumbents should offer progressive services at competitive prices so they dont have to worry about muni-fiber.
remember the city has to buy bandwidth and maintain the wires too if they setup the network just as TWC has to buy bandwidth and maintain its network.
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX | reply to me1212
Re: Who do you think will win?
easy Google |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX | reply to John Keels
Re: This is ridiculous
If a town wants it let them have it
but you forget in this new world order that big companies can't be allowed to fail
sad but the end is nigh |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX | If TWC only had a brain
They would offer to sell transit bandwidth to them and work out a deal so they would till get a good amount of money |
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me1212
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Re: Who do you think will win?
Thats what I was thinking, well at least maybe TW/other ISPs will back off a bit. Maybe this will lead to more places that have net been served by the big ISPs getting internet. I would rather it be a private person and not the government that wireless them, but better than nothing. |
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Anon51
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They forgot to mention, this will cut in to the Executive profits..
Instead of a $17.8 million dollar bonus this year, there will only be a $17 million dollar bonus.
But NOTHING for the hard working employees !!!!!
"The Power of You"
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 I guess Ayn would want all roads to be privately owned toll roads and all water/sewer systems to be privately owned so that consumers can be bled dry.
In the days of dial-up internet service prices declined and service quality and speed increased. Why? Because of competition.
Time Warner and the local Telephone Companies have no competition. Select the company you want to overcharge you for service.
Municipal Broadband is the only way to give the consumer a choice. |
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said by Qumahlin :That and the fact that quoting Ayn Rand in general is idiotic unless your just trying to prove you agree with that line of extremist thought about business/government. Exactly. Even Ayn Rand didn't agree with her own rhetoric. She didn't call for abandonment of zoning laws and building codes ("interference" of otherwise free-market economies) because she personally benefited from them.
Heck, she even opposed the creation of the Libertarian Party. Why? She knew that taking her rhetoric to its logical conclusion would prove it to be absurd. She preferred it remain a faction within the Republican party, where it could play both sides of the fence (hyperbole to criticize moderate Rs, but never actually taken seriously).
Mark |
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nc3090
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said by KrK :said by nc3090 :
A government run telecommunication system would qualify as interference in the economy. A TWC bill that would in effect grant only incumbents an inherent monopoly and a "You can't have it until we do it" broadband solution would also qualify as interference in the economy. You could also claim that having public schools is interfering with the economy because otherwise private schools would handle education. I do happen to claim that government schools are interfering with the economy. More than that they appear to have indoctrinated a nice little mob to pat each other on the back for robbing their neighbor. |
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