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1 edit | Sweden's Gov is Stupid
All they did with this new law is protect criminals.
Now when they need to trace an IP for a real crime, the ISP will say sorry we do not have that info since you forced us to deleted all ip info so we did not have to get involved with the filesharing issues.
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| said by r81984  :All they did with this new law is protect criminals. Now when they need to trace an IP for a real crime, the ISP will say sorry we do not have that info since you forced us to deleted all ip info so we did not have to get involved with the filesharing issues. I suspect Sweden knew exactly what they were doing when they passed this law. It pleases both sides. |
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djweis
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West Des Moines, IA | Other network abuse?
That's great as long as you don't have any wannabe computer crackers on there or infected machines spewing spam. They might want to rethink how they are handling this. |
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TKJunkMail
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Re: Sweden's Gov is Stupid
said by r81984 :All they did with this new law is protect criminals. Now when they need to trace an IP for a real crime, the ISP will say sorry we do not have that info since you forced us to deleted all ip info so we did not have to get involved with the filesharing issues. Don't worry. The law coming next requiring ISPs to save data for 6 months will solve that problem. And the ISP CEO making a big noise about destroying IP data says he will comply with the retention law.
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Swedish Law makers are in fact currently working on new legislation based on the European Union's data retention directive, which requires ISPs to store electronic data for a minimum of six months.
If the legislation is enacted, Karlung said Bahnhof would continue to stay within the bounds of the law.
"If the state decides that everything has to be handed over to various private organisations, then we will of course comply
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| said by TKJunkMail :Don't worry. The law coming next requiring ISPs to save data for 6 months will solve that problem. And the ISP CEO making a big noise about destroying IP data says he will comply with the retention law. quote:
"If the state decides that everything has to be handed over to various private organisations, then we will of course comply
Duh. What did you expect him to say? Right and wrong goes out the window at the point of a gun.
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If you take something from criminals (RIAA), are you really committing a crime? |
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axus
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| Data retention laws are expensive and could hurt privacy
Governments and individuals tend to use and abuse data collected, even when they aren't supposed to. I don't want to have some schmo looking through my ISP records to embarrass me in some message board argument. If I did anything embarrassing, of course 
Someone has to pay for the data retention, and it's either going to be the consumer through higher fees, or the taxpayer who subsidizes it. |
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zod5000
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Edmonton, AB | Do they really need to destroy the information?
Do they really need to destroy the data? Couldn't they just disable the logs that keep track of that data? Thereby never leaving anything to destroy in the first place? |
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1 edit | Found the saboteur!
At least we know where they put their customer's information. One look in the garbage can and the whole plan is going to be foiled! |
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Sammer
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Re: Sweden's Gov is Stupid
said by TKJunkMail :[Don't worry. The law coming next requiring ISPs to save data for 6 months will solve that problem. And the ISP CEO making a big noise about destroying IP data says he will comply with the retention law. quote:
Swedish Law makers are in fact currently working on new legislation based on the European Union's data retention directive, which requires ISPs to store electronic data for a minimum of six months.
If the legislation is enacted, Karlung said Bahnhof would continue to stay within the bounds of the law.
"If the state decides that everything has to be handed over to various private organisations, then we will of course comply
TK Junk Mail, you of all people should be against such regulations and unfunded mandates. |
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Etobicoke, ON | Swedish ISPs have it right
At least Sweden's ISP are acting in the benefit of their clients.
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Re: Sweden's Gov is Stupid
said by r81984 :All they did with this new law is protect criminals. Now when they need to trace an IP for a real crime, the ISP will say sorry we do not have that info since you forced us to deleted all ip info so we did not have to get involved with the filesharing issues. Right. Because being able to associate an IP address with an individual has been proven bulletproof in their identification of the real criminals. It's also done wonders to stop child pornography. And 411 scams. And counterfeit drugs. And ponzi schemes. And identity theft. And all of the hundreds of other illegal activities done online.
And just to remove all doubt, yes, that was sarcasm in my post above. |
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TweakFreak88
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sweden | Good choice
Good thing I ordered Bahnhof instead of Wasadata.
100/10 + static IP for $30 = Win |
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rawgerz
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alkemyst
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Lake Worth, FL | reply to Rob
Re: Sweden's Gov is Stupid
it's not like they can provide a logfile with only criminals in it.
I don't think the government of any country has a right to monitor 'web surfing' |
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Re: Good choice
Probably, isn't that the guy with the ubercool datacenter in the bunker?
yup, here they are
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Underplay
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Tacoma, WA | reply to r81984
Re: Sweden's Gov is Stupid
Criminals? yea right. Copying virtual data is so harmless the word criminal is just a joke. By the way, im a software developer. I support piracy because i support freedom of speech. |
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Tempe, AZ | reply to r81984
lol |
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Re: Good choice
lol
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r81984
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Re: Sweden's Gov is Stupid
said by Underplay :Criminals? yea right. Copying virtual data is so harmless the word criminal is just a joke. By the way, im a software developer. I support piracy because i support freedom of speech. I guess you did not read what I wrote.
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