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@qwest.net | Ban them
Wasnt it Verizon that robbed Pennsylvania for Billions of dollars a few years ago.
Maybe they should pass a law banning Verizon from the state. |
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Somnambul33t
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Not sure i like Verizon taking this route, but i'd rather not have my tax dollars going to municipal wireless broadband. it always sucks, costs twice as much as budgeted, and causes political headaches for years.
If verizon wanted to do their own wireless system in some cities, it'd be a lot better. i like comcast's wireless beta system wireless on the high speed lines in NJ. if Verizon or comcast could buy the earthlink wireless in philly and make it profitable, i'm all for it. right now, tho, the city-owned system now is horrible and goes to show how poorly most government-run wireless programs are.
not sure we need a bill to BAN these systems...it should be left up to the local residents to vote for these things if they're going in their towns, but overall i'd rather not have them in the end anyway.
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Chris 313
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Re: Ban them
said by forget it :
Wasnt it Verizon that robbed Pennsylvania for Billions of dollars a few years ago.
Maybe they should pass a law banning Verizon from the state.
And then people would complain about Comcast having a complete monopoly. (Isn't Comcast HQ'd in PA?) You can't win.
It'd be really anticompetitive then.
I wonder what competitive groups will have to say about this and how loud it'll be? |
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me1212
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Pleasant Hill, MO | reply to forget it
+1. I agree if a city wants to make their broadband, because the ISP don't care about them let them. Does any1 know where to fins if my state has such a law? |
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pnh102
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|  Give Verizon a Medal
Just about every single municipally-run Internet racket has been a financial black hole for taxpayers. Verizon should be lauded and thanked for protecting the taxpayers of Penna. from yet another government money grab.
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kontos
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West Henrietta, NY |  Um, High ROI is good for businesses
ROI = Return on Investment. High ROI is what companies want to see. |
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cdru
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Fort Wayne, IN | reply to Chris 313
Re: Ban them
said by Chris 313  :Isn't Comcast HQ'd in PA? Yes. Philly. |
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Eat Me
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Sussex, NJ | reply to pnh102
Re: Give Verizon a Medal
So why pass a law banning it from the entire state? Maybe the taxpayers should decide on a municipality by municipality basis. |
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pnh102
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| said by Eat Me :So why pass a law banning it from the entire state? Maybe the taxpayers should decide on a municipality by municipality basis. That's a nice idea, except that elections are not allowed to exclude people who do not pay taxes.
But as always, local governments have plenty of responsibilities to deal with. They should focus on doing the things that they need to do and do them well. Wireless internet is not one of them.
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DaveNJ
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Re: Ban them
When people dont learn from history, it repeats... Verizon 2, Penn Taxpayers 0 .. |
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DaveNJ
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Re: Um, High ROI is good for businesses
said by kontos :ROI = Return on Investment. High ROI is what companies want to see. Then maybe they shouldn't receive any government handouts then. |
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beaups
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Hilliard, OH | This term gets used also as "rate of investment". In my business the acronym indicates a bad thing, even though you should be correct. |
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Skippy25
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Re: Give Verizon a Medal
If a majority of the people want it, then you and the local monopolies should shut up and move out of the way of it getting done.
Government is there to serve the people. If the people ask for it's government to build them a network through a vote, then it is the governments responsibility to build them that network. If the minority don't like it, too bad. There is a minority in every vote that isn't happy. That is just the way it is and the reason you take it to a vote to begin with.
Verizon doesn't like it? Then pack up your stuff and get out of the town/state. |
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1 edit | reply to pnh102
said by pnh102 :That's a nice idea, except that elections are not allowed to exclude people who do not pay taxes. As it should be. Do you know that the 24th amendment to the US constitution forbids a poll tax? This means that you can't exclude non-taxpayers, and for good reason. All citizens should be allowed to vote, period. |
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kyler13
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said by pnh102 :said by Eat Me :So why pass a law banning it from the entire state? Maybe the taxpayers should decide on a municipality by municipality basis. That's a nice idea, except that elections are not allowed to exclude people who do not pay taxes. But as always, local governments have plenty of responsibilities to deal with. They should focus on doing the things that they need to do and do them well. Wireless internet is not one of them. You're missing the point altogether. A private corporation intersted in nothing more than making money does not need to be empowered to make decisions for the people. |
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said by pnh102 :Verizon should be lauded and thanked for protecting the taxpayers of Penna. from yet another government money grab. Right on!! Verizon needs to fight for exclusive rights to continue raping the taxpayers of PA.
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jhboricua
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said by pnh102 :But as always, local governments have plenty of responsibilities to deal with. They should focus on doing the things that they need to do and do them well. Wireless internet is not one of them. Even if the local government in PA were to have a private entity build and operate the network, it would be prohibited by the proposed SB530 as currently worded.
Verizon is simply legislating their way to profits by blocking any chance of competition on PA before it happens, specially now that the stimulus bill would make it easier to build a competing network.
And this is another example why your continuous posts on other threads along the lines of 'if they want to compete, let them build their own networks' come as hypocritical, and rightfully so.
There is no level playing field.
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SLD
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Funny, election exclude corporations from voting and yet they still ultimately decide who the choices are, or even who gets elected. |
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trackdrew
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...to visit the sponsoring senator's "Contact Me" page and give him a piece of you mind.
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Re: Give Verizon a Medal
said by Eat Me :said by pnh102 :That's a nice idea, except that elections are not allowed to exclude people who do not pay taxes. As it should be. Do you know that the 24th amendment to the US constitution forbids a poll tax? This means that you can't exclude non-taxpayers, and for good reason. All citizens should be allowed to vote, period. In general I agree with you, however in this case guys living in their mom's basement wanting fast cheap Internet shouldn't have say in this....  |
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