RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | Plan? What plan?
We don't need no stinking plan.
At least that's what they'll finally conclude at the end of the year. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
 ·AT&T Yahoo
·AT&T DSL Service
 ·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southwest
|  Nationwide infrastructure company....
...divorced from access and content companies. Open access. All who desire can offer their services over the infrastructure at same rates. Results: Tons of competition and choice, while maximizing economy of scale and efficiency at network build-out and upgrades.
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Or... you get something like Amtrak.
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Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Amtrak can't do what nationwide FTTH could do. |
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VerizonCynic
join:2006-10-25
Lakewood, CA
 ·Verizon FIOS
|  lets put the stim money into this
»www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/weeki···nted=all
I really do think that between the financial crisis, global warming and this little internet problem (see link above) we have the makings of a 9/11 x100...but of course as always we only shut the barn door AFTER the horse is out...
We should just turn off the internet for a few days and see what happens to our economy |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
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Re: Nationwide infrastructure company....
Amtrak is not a good analogy...it would be more like a national ISP riding on others pipes since it doesn't own much of the infrastructure it uses.
A return to good old common carrier regulation would go a very long way to resolving this mess.
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | reply to VerizonCynic
Re: lets put the stim money into this
Productivity would probably skyrocket.
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Toolmaster of La Grange. |
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PapaMidnight
join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
| Probably one of the most useful things in this bill...
Any entity is eligible to apply for a grant, including municipalities, public/private partnerships, and private companies, so long as the entity can comply with the grant conditions. Applicants must put forth 20% of the proposed project’s total cost, subject to a financial hardship waiver.
Probably one of the most useful things in this bill. Now if only we could get one placing limits on the amount of BS companies could spout to keep other companies from starting up. |
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jimbo2150
join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
| Policy...
quote:
That's in part thanks to a lack of broad competition, which in turn is because, unlike the majority of other countries, this well-lobbied nation has lacked a broadband infrastructure and policy plan (unless you consider doing nothing and bad science a policy).
Unfortunately, even if they implement a policy it may not be done right. Writing a policy that says curriers can charge whatever and form large corps and prevent others from "impeding on their territory" would do absolutely nothing.
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jsz0
join:2008-01-23
Jewett City, CT
·Comcast
| reply to KrK
Re: Nationwide infrastructure company....
Divorced from access & content companies. Married to government regulation & taxes. I can only imagine how much trouble we'd be in if this type of project existed during the Bush presidency. I will take the (sometimes) greedy private sector over the government for my Internet access any day. At least greed is mostly free of personal ideology. It's only a matter of time before some radical right winger wants to block access to medical information (birth control, abortion), pornography, maybe violent video games. The scary part is it's not just the radical right. A number of liberals would be on-board with it too.
Any government money used for broadband infrastructure has to be done in the form of a one-time grant. No strings attached. No possibility for government oversight outside of the original intent of improving broadband access. |
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TigBitties
@charter.com
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said by KrK  :Amtrak can't do what nationwide FTTH could do. What do you think would nationwide FTTH do? |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX | reply to KrK
agreed, it would be far cheaper for the national telecom infrastructure to be incorporated into a single company to maintain and expand ACCESS, and seperate competing companies pay for ACCESS to COMPETE across a standard infrastructure. |
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TigBitties
@charter.com
| Stimulus Bill - Provisions on Broadband Infrastructure
Bill Summary
AMERICAN RECOVERY AND REINVESTMENT BILL OF 2009 (ARRA)
Energy & Commerce Provisions on Health Care, Broadband,
and Energy
On February 12, 2009, House and Senate conferees approved the economic recovery
package. The following are detailed summaries on the health care, broadband, and
energy provisions.
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Provisions on Broadband Infrastructure
The Conference agreement creates a new Broadband Technology Opportunities
Program within the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (“NTIA”)
of the Department of Commerce. The new grant program will distribute $4.7 billion to
fund the deployment of broadband infrastructure in unserved and underseved areas in
the country, and to help facilitate broadband use and adoption. An additional $2.5
billion in loans and grants will be administered by the Rural Utilities Service.
The Conference agreement combined portions of both the House and Senate bills. The
main provisions of the NTIA program include:
• Grant Recipient Criteria. Any entity is eligible to apply for a grant, including
municipalities, public/private partnerships, and private companies, so long as the
entity can comply with the grant conditions. Applicants must put forth 20% of the
proposed project’s total cost, subject to a financial hardship waiver.
Grant recipients must agree to abide by a set of conditions, including adhering to
a build out schedule, to interconnection and non-discrimination requirements as
established by NTIA, and to the principles contained in the Federal
Communications Commission’s Broadband Policy Statement. The Conference
agreement does not require that grant recipients meet certain broadband speed
thresholds, although the NTIA is expected to consider and support the highest
possible broadband speeds in awarding grants.
• National Broadband Plan. The Federal Communications Commission is required to
develop a national broadband plan within one year. |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | reply to NOCMan
Re: Nationwide infrastructure company....
Didn't we all decide that one company controlling everything was a Bad Thing back in the 80's?
I reiterate my call for true common carrier access and regulation.
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Toolmaster of La Grange. |
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Angrychair
join:2000-09-20
Jacksonville, FL | reply to TigBitties
Help with getting rid of the corporate entitlement complex that pervades american culture by forcing competition. |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
·Comcast
·Patriot Media
| said by Angrychair :Help with getting rid of the corporate entitlement complex that pervades american culture by forcing competition. What about the personal entitlement that becomes corporate entitlement. If anything the best solution is government getting out of way of business. |
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Angrychair
join:2000-09-20
Jacksonville, FL
·Comcast
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to RadioDoc
Sure we did. The problem is the reaganites didn't go far enough, and basically turned one big monopoly into a bunch of regional monopolies which has led us to where we are now.
If things had been done in the 80's the way the OP suggested we would be much further along when it comes to competition and infrastructure now.
Sometimes the government has to tell people what's good for the country because too many of the people being ruled are just too stupid to understand which side their bread really is buttered on. |
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Angrychair
join:2000-09-20
Jacksonville, FL
·Comcast
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to DaveNJ
Personal entitlement is always going to exist. That's why we have government. To wrestle some money out of the hands of the privileged class to make sure that everyone can have a basic quality of life available to (theoretically) stop the country from turning into a land of indentured servitude and serfdom.
More regulation is always better in the long run. Without someone waiting to kick you in the ass for stepping out of line the world quickly spirals to the lowest common denominator. That is, if you're even alive to see it when it gets there. |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
| reply to Angrychair
said by Angrychair :Help with getting rid of the corporate entitlement complex that pervades american culture by forcing competition. that mentality gave us the TCOM act of '96. That didn't exactly work out as intended. |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
·Comcast
·Patriot Media
| reply to Angrychair
said by Angrychair :More regulation is always better in the long run. Without someone waiting to kick you in the ass for stepping out of line the world quickly spirals to the lowest common denominator. That is, if you're even alive to see it when it gets there. So forcing banks to loan to people who wouldnt or cant pay is good regulation in the long run. Did you learn nothing from the last year. I hope you make so serious money, so i can have some.
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Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff - Frank Zappa
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