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Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
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join:2003-02-13
Stepford, CA
clubs: | No Worries The market will flush the ESPN360 turd business model. | |
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Pv8man
join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN
1 edit | idea???? What would happen if I were to connect through a proxy that was on an ISP that carried the site.
Would it work???
If it does, lolz on them. | |
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Jstep1973
@netins.net | ESPN 360 I use it quite a bit. I dropped my DirecTv due to cost and would have no way to watch ESPN if I didn't have ESPN360. I watched the Duke/Carolina game last night, it was better than not watching it at all. | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: ESPN 360 said by Jstep1973 :
I use it quite a bit. I dropped my DirecTv due to cost and would have no way to watch ESPN if I didn't have ESPN360. I watched the Duke/Carolina game last night, it was better than not watching it at all.
Great and ESPN should offer you a subscirption. Heck I might be willing to pay for one. ESPN chooses not to offer it to me. Their loss.
I'm not sure where the money is in this. Get 10 cents per sub or charge $100 a year to people that are actually willing to pay for it. So what ESPN is admitting that for every million subs a ISP has that they wouldn't be able to get 1000 peole to pay for this? I find that hard to believe. | |
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percosan
join:2002-03-13
San Francisco, CA | Neutrality comment is incorrect. There is no neutrality issue if ESPN strikes a deal with an ISP that results in ESPN content not counting against capacity caps. Why do you think this?
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SuperWISP
join:2007-04-17
Laramie, WY
| All pile on the ISP Karl's article, above, seems to suggest that there is some inconsistency between revolting against ESPN360 and fighting regulation of ISPs (AKA "network neutrality"). In fact, the two are completely consistent. I want to maintain the best service and lowest prices for my customers.
All regulation raises a business's costs. And "network neutrality" regulation would in particular, because it would allow content providers to shift their bandwidth costs to ISPs via P2P (see my testimony at »www.brettglass.com/FCC/remarks.html for a good explanation of why). "Network neutrality" regulation would also prohibit ISPs from properly managing their networks, and this in turn would harm quality of service.
ESPN360's tactics would likewise raise ISPs' costs by forcing them to actually pay ESPN360 a substantial share of their profits. And if the tactic succeeded, other content providers would follow suit. Your ISP would be forced to raise prices again and again, just like the cable companies, or become unprofitable.
Again, my goal as an ISP is to maintain high quality of service and affordable prices. Both ESPN360's tactics and "network neutrality" regulation would work against those goals and harm consumers. | |
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prairiesky
join:2008-12-08
Springstein, MB
| turn it around Can it not be turned around on them? If you are so against having them charge you, why don't you set rules into your router block ESPN and all of their related sites. Then, send them a letter saying that if they wish for your customers to access their site, ESPN will have to pay you a monthly fee to allow it on your network.
Would I personally do this, no, but it doesn't mean it isn't an option for you. | |
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AnonDog
@verizon.net
| Re: turn it around said by prairiesky  :Can it not be turned around on them? If you are so against having them charge you, why don't you set rules into your router block ESPN and all of their related sites. Then, send them a letter saying that if they wish for your customers to access their site, ESPN will have to pay you a monthly fee to allow it on your network. Would I personally do this, no, but it doesn't mean it isn't an option for you. Actually the idea that was floated on the WISP forum was to simply redirect any access on Disney to the ESPN 360 message that says the ISP has not paid his "Disney Taxes" and therefore you (the customer) can't go there...
The very day that I get the first complaint from one of our customers who can not get to ESPN360 , I will start doing exactly that. | |
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avantwireles
join:2003-03-21
Reno, NV
| ESPN360+1/2 I do believe that it's time to drop ESPN360's DNS records to our customers. When ESPN360 decided to get in the middle of our customer relationship and suggest our customers go somewhere else because we don't pay and does not offer the customer the option of paying directly, that sounds to me like we are being extorted. If espn360 wants any decent bandwidth on our network, they can pay the same fee that they want to charge us. | |
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Flibbetigibbet
@lmco.com
| ESPN 360 = I don't need sat/cable any more ESPN is one of the few remaining reasons why I still have a satellite dish subscription. If I could get it over broadband (and play it on my already-existing HTPC), I'd probably drop dish/cable. That'd easily be worth a couple of extra bucks on my broadband bill. | |
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| eqshadimar
Premium
join:2004-10-20
Plano, TX
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| Re: ESPN 360 = I don't need sat/cable any more said by Flibbetigibbet :
ESPN is one of the few remaining reasons why I still have a satellite dish subscription. If I could get it over broadband (and play it on my already-existing HTPC), I'd probably drop dish/cable. That'd easily be worth a couple of extra bucks on my broadband bill.
That is great for you, you should be given the option to pay for it. I don't watch ESPN and I don't want my bill to go up for this access. In fact I would love to be able to strip ESPN from my cable service and save the $4/month (or whatever it is) that they charge for the carriage rights.
Laters,
Jeff | |
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Flibbetigibbet
@lmco.com
| Re: ESPN 360 = I don't need sat/cable any more said by eqshadimar :said by Flibbetigibbet :
ESPN is one of the few remaining reasons why I still have a satellite dish subscription. If I could get it over broadband (and play it on my already-existing HTPC), I'd probably drop dish/cable. That'd easily be worth a couple of extra bucks on my broadband bill.
That is great for you, you should be given the option to pay for it. I don't watch ESPN and I don't want my bill to go up for this access. In fact I would love to be able to strip ESPN from my cable service and save the $4/month (or whatever it is) that they charge for the carriage rights. Laters, Jeff That's more than fair enough, I agree completely. | |
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