riaahunter
@rr.com | eff the riaa
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ZZink
join:2002-06-16
Etobicoke | Money?
I wonder how much RIAA is paying them to go along with this. I mean when they disconnect users they loose money. |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Maybe the RIAA is just promising they won't sue. |
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
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join:2005-06-29
clubs: | Epic fail
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jmn1207
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join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
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| reply to ZZink
Re: Money?
I wonder about what is behind the voluntary compliance from many of the ISP's. In the situation with the ISP in Ireland, they were forced to comply as part of a deal that was made after losing a decision in the courts about providing user information to the RIAA.
I suspect that perhaps there has been discussion about providing exclusive content of the RIAA's copyrighted material to the ISP's. The ISP's are always looking for ways to offer content so they don't simply become a dumb pipe provider. It's my opinion that keeping the content creators separate from the content distributors is in the consumer's best interest.
It's the same thing we see with any media distributor. For TV, the people that make the shows own the stations, and the magazines, and the newspapers, and the books. Perhaps the ISP's are simply looking for a way to beef-up their portals. This might be the first step in a relationship that will ultimately result in Comcast and AT&T being able to provide music from the RIAA's extensive library as part of their service. Naturally the cost would be included in every customer's bill. And this is ultimately what the RIAA has admittedly said that they are trying to accomplish. A money train that acts like a value-added gift on the surface, but is more of an extortion fee in reality. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
 ·North State Commun..
|  It was a Linux ISO right?
said by article :
Waiting in my snail mail box for me was an unassuming letter from your favorite cable provider, and mine, Comcast. Contained in this letter was information pertaining to an alleged torrent download called “Cadillac Records.” I have come to learn that “Cadillac Records” is a movie with Adrien Brody and that their marketing for this movie must have really sucked because with what ever thousands or millions of dollars they used to promote this movie, I have never heard of it
I'm sorry, but without going all psychoanalysis on this quote, I don't believe this guy. If anything, I bet he was pissed because he thought it was "Batman.Returns.ZOMG.1080p.R0x0rzY0urB0x0rz.mkv" and he was fooled. He's way to defensive and quite the smug prick. Either that or he thought it was a Linux ISO. 
Regardless, I do think this process needs transparency and I don't think the copyright holders nor the service providers should be responsible for determining who has actually committed a violation. |
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SueTheBastards
|  Not Right.
Sue them (riaa/telecoms/ISP's) for defamation of character, and emotional distress. |
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Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
 ·Comcast
·Embarq
|  ISP's do not care whether the accused is guilty or not.
 All the ISP's need to do, to satisfy the RIAA, is make believe that they are doing something. As long as the ISP's sends a notice to someone, guilty or not, the ISP's management has done something. ISPs should be held accountable if they make a mistake. The correct solution would be for a group of customers wrongly accused, to file a class action suit against the ISP.
In my opinion, until the ISP and the RIAA are forced to compensate a customer a significant monetary sanction, say $100,000.00 per occurrence, for negligently accusing a customer for illegally downloading copyrighted material, the ISP will not have an incentive to be accurate and be careful about who they accuse. |
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jmn1207
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join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA | reply to Mr Matt
Re: ISP's do not care whether the accused is guilty or not.
$100,000? Each song can be worth $150,000, so I think it would only be fair to ask for at least that much for every copyright violation accusation that is cast about wantonly. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. |
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devnuller
join:2006-06-10
Hollis, NH
| Tracing the news
Following the links back to the original sources:
The Wall Street Journal said:
quote:
"the Recording Industry Association of America said it plans to try an approach that relies on the cooperation of Internet-service providers."
CNET then reports:
quote:
"AT&T and Comcast, two of the nation's largest Internet service providers, are expected to be among a group of ISPs that will cooperate with the music industry in battling illegal file sharing, three sources close to the companies told CNET News."
DSLR then says
quote:
"CNET has discovered, not too surprisingly, that both Comcast and AT&T are among the plan's dozen or so participants, though no carrier wants to admit as much on the record
Which DSLR expands into:
quote:
"Last week it was made clear that both AT&T and Comcast are participating in the RIAA's secret plan to make carriers content cops"
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | ISPs who go along with the RIAA...
should lose their "safe harbor" status and be held legally responsible for everything that goes over their network! |
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Jetoni
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join:2001-04-18
West Springfield, MA
1 edit | reply to Anon
Re: eff the riaa
I LOL-ed! Epic fail! |
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TCub
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join:2008-09-03
Olmsted Falls, OH
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| Take em down!
The RIAA needs to be defeated. It's unbelievable the shit they get away with.
Consumers need to stand up for their rights and form their own group. Lets start the United Consumers Association of America, UCAA. Together we'll file lawsuits on oh I don't know, who evers picture the dart lands on of people who work for the RIAA. You can run them into the ground.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to SueTheBastards
Re: Not Right.
I agree... live by the sword = die by the sword.
If they're going to assist in this kind of activity, then they have to be responsible for their actions, and held accountable. |
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Bill03
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join:2007-11-26
Richmond, VA
clubs:
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Re: ISP's do not care whether the accused is guilty or not.
I disagree. If the RI** provides false information to the ISP, how can the ISP be held liable? I'll agree the RI** methods are dubious at best but the ISP isn't going to be able to verify whether are not the RI** info is correct.
Unless you want them monitoring your traffic all the time.
I completely agree the RI** should be held liable and $100,000.00 per false accusation sounds good. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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·Comcast
|  reply to devnuller
Re: Tracing the news
said by devnuller  :Following the links back to the original sources: The Wall Street Journal said: quote:
"the Recording Industry Association of America said it plans to try an approach that relies on the cooperation of Internet-service providers."
CNET then reports: quote:
"AT&T and Comcast, two of the nation's largest Internet service providers, are expected to be among a group of ISPs that will cooperate with the music industry in battling illegal file sharing, three sources close to the companies told CNET News."
DSLR then says quote:
"CNET has discovered, not too surprisingly, that both Comcast and AT&T are among the plan's dozen or so participants, though no carrier wants to admit as much on the record
Which DSLR expands into: quote:
"Last week it was made clear that both AT&T and Comcast are participating in the RIAA's secret plan to make carriers content cops"
Sounds like the kids game "whispering down the lane". By the time the story reaches the end of the line it bears little resemblance to the original story. The subsequent stories in the chain you mention show no proofs - merely gossip and rumor.
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Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02
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3 edits | reply to devnuller
"Last week it was made clear that both AT&T and Comcast are participating in the RIAA's secret plan to make carriers content cops." The CNET report indicates that both AT&T (who I've spoken to personally about this) and Comcast are participating in the RIAA's plan, which is still being hashed out.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the sentence.
You could replace "plan" with "closed door negotiations for a plan," if you want to play semantic patty cake. |
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