Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | ROI
Not everyone has deep pockets like Veri$on. |
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mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
Premium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | The pipe
Be the pipe and nothing else, your worthless portal garbage or other stuff besides just providing access. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
 ·North State Commun..
|  Couldn't Agree More
The Telco's should stick to what they know best, moving bits from point A to point B and stop trying to get a piece of the content pie. That business model has served them well for close to a hundred years so walling off their pipes, alienating potential partners, and trying to go it alone it just plain stupid. |
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
| reply to Eat Me
Re: ROI
said by Eat Me  :Not everyone has deep pockets like Veri$on. and $$$_AT&T_$$$. |
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b10010011
Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA | ISP's should be ISP's not content providers.
Just give me the pipe, email, and a little web space. |
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devnuller
join:2006-06-10
Hollis, NH
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Re: Couldn't Agree More
Does that go in the reverse too? Content companies should stop deploying network infrastructure and asking for peering. They should just pick an ISP and pay for their bandwidth usage. Right? Google? Microsoft? Netflix? Is TimeWarner a content company or an ISP? Meep meep...
Perhaps Mitsubishi should stick to making.. um, what are they allowed to make? Google should only do search, right?
Love the arm chair quarterback business analysis done here. How many of you have MBAs or have run a company before? I'd say few. |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
·PenTeleData
 ·Future Nine Corpor..
·VOIPo
·Vonage
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Re: ISP's should be ISP's not content providers.
said by b10010011 :Just give me the pipe, email, and a little web space. Don't even need the web space. Just open port 80. |
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Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
 ·Cox HSI
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Cox VOIP
·ViaTalk
·RoadRunner Cable
·MegaPath
·Verizon west (ex G..
·Time Warner VOIP
1 edit | Stupid
There is money to be made in media as well as the pipe. It makes ZERO sense to pass up a profitable venture because it doesn't fit the traditional description of the company. There is content other than a portal and even portals can be money makers. Even if holier than thou DSLR nerds won't use them, millions of subscribers of the ISP will. That said, it's certainly not an excuse to be recklessly stupid (eg @Home+Excite) and net neutrality should be legislated to insure these "new" media companies don't abuse their market position as the ISP to generate business. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to devnuller
Re: Couldn't Agree More
said by devnuller :Does that go in the reverse too? Content companies should stop deploying network infrastructure and asking for peering. They should just pick an ISP and pay for their bandwidth usage. Right? Google? Microsoft? Netflix? Is TimeWarner a content company or an ISP? Meep meep... Perhaps Mitsubishi should stick to making.. um, what are they allowed to make? Google should only do search, right? Love the arm chair quarterback business analysis done here. How many of you have MBAs or have run a company before? I'd say few. Google and the others DO pay for their own bandwidth. |
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PapaMidnight
join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD | Spirit of Competition
Ah, the spirit of competition is alive and well here in the United States where my choices for Internet is Comcast, Comcast, and more Comcast! |
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SLD
Premium
join:2002-04-17
1 edit | Portals???
Comcast's portal/website is the biggest piece of junk I've ever used. It screams bloatware at a higher pitch than Nero! |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
| reply to devnuller
Re: Couldn't Agree More
Does that go in the reverse too? Content companies should stop deploying network infrastructure and asking for peering. I think that reverse-analogy only works were content companies then using that acquired infrastructure to offer others bandwidth. |
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Luminaris
join:2005-12-01
Winchester, VA
 ·HughesNet Satellit..
| reply to devnuller
I'd be embarrassed to write a response like this on a story that primarily talks about the telco's. Did you read the title?
Nice job man 
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De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da, that's all I want to say to you .. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
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Re: Stupid
It makes ZERO sense to pass up a profitable venture because it doesn't fit the traditional description of the company. The report doesn't say they should pass it up. It does say they lack the skillset to be content developers on their own. This paragraph in particular I think holds the central point:“Telcos don’t have the innovative structures to launch these things fast on the market,” he said. “What they don’t understand – or some of them don’t – is that the Internet has an ecosystem of services – it acts like a venture capitalist for you. There is one project that is going to soar and 100 that are going to die. If you are going to develop these yourself, you have to be willing to invest for the 99 projects that die to get the one that succeeds. Service providers who insist on doing this themselves haven’t faced the fact that they should partner with these people instead of trying to replicate what they are doing.” |
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baineschile
2600
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join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI
·Comcast
·magicjack.com
 ·Verizon Wireless B..
| reply to Sammer
Re: ROI
if comcast or att were going to spend 70 billion to lay fiber...even in rural areas, where do you think that cost is going to come from? the consumer. you think prices will go down? never.
maybe it can come from a government subsidized program? the consumers tax dollars at work, plus the government control which will just saturate services. either way, the US is geograpically a big place.
france, has 333 people per square km, but most of those people are centrally located in or around paris (with a larger population in the south of france too)
the us has 180, almost half the amount of people per sq/km, and is 10 times as large as france, which means a LOT more $$$$ to run lines.
fiber may be obselete in 15 years anyways, with laser pulsing technology taking over; so why would a company want to invest in that? |
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baineschile
2600
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join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | reply to mrchris
Re: The pipe
If there is money to be made, they will get involved.
For a long time, AOL was the pipe and content, and they flourished |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
·Comcast
·Qwest.net
·magicjack.com
·BeeCreek Communica..
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| Me want dumb pipe...
I want a pipe charged like my electric bil. Uncapped speed, pay-per-gig, minimum service fee is fine. Fiber if possible, DOCSIS 3 if not. No e-mail (I have GMail or can pay for something else), no web space (I can get that elsewhere), no extra features. Just get me a low-latency connection to a few internet backbones at high speed with usage-based pricing (yes, I'm fine with usage-based pricing as long as it's 15 cents per GB or less) and I'll do the rest myself.
If you want to get a non-basic ISP, there should be an option for that too. A la...wait for it...qwest. Except instead of qwest.net you have an even more basic service provided for $5 per month over the line fee.
Wait...that'd actually be competitive...never mind... |
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b10010011
Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
·Comcast Formerly ..
| reply to Eat Me
Re: ISP's should be ISP's not content providers.
said by Eat Me :said by b10010011 :Just give me the pipe, email, and a little web space. Don't even need the web space. Just open port 80. Personally I do not want to run my own web server but do agree with you that ports should not be blocked and users should be allowed to run their own servers if the wish. |
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53059959
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone
join:2002-10-02
PwnZone | reply to baineschile
Re: ROI
haha fiber will be obsolete in 15 years?
uninstall |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | reply to mrchris
Re: The pipe
I bet you are not willing to pay what it costs for a dumb pipe. The "worthless portal garbage" helps to pay for and attract other paying customers how help defray the individual costs of the dumb pipes. |
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