Pizz
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Astoria, NY | I love..
To pay top dollar for an inferior product. I guess it's the american way! |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
| Additionally
2009 will see a 12% decline in subscriber growth. That's in part because the broadband market was already slowing down, but it's also thanks to the troubled economy and slow home sales (no new homes, no new connections). I might also add that those who rent find units more often than not that already come cable-ready for HSI. Case in point: My own rental unit already had the wiring in place by the local cable monopoly. I have considered several times getting DSL instead, however, that would entail a laundry list of inconvenience to me including:
(1) Taking time out of work to sit and wait for the DSL provider to show up and split the line into voice and data;
(2) Waiting on the local telco monopoly to provision the line, which, as previously experienced elsewhere, took 30-45 days.
Cable has many what some consider "unfair" advantages over DSL in more ways than just home ownership sales. |
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baineschile
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1 edit | Government intervention??
Cmon, we arent socialists. The government cant control everything. People that live in densly populated areas usually have a wide variety of ISPs to choose from. If you dont like the hustle and bustle of city live, and move to a rural area, you have to give a few things up (public transportation, plowed roads, etc). One of those things, is a quality ISP.
Japan, S Korea, and a few other countries names have a ton of competition because most people live in a few areas, which geographically cant compare the USA. |
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Gilitar
join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL
1 edit | Speed is a killer
The telcos better get their act together. I'm paying $37.95 for 1.5/256 stand alone dsl. This is not a good value. If cable was an option here I would be gone. |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
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Re: I love..
said by Pizz  :To pay top dollar for an inferior product. I guess it's the american way! Didn't read it, did you?
"... cable will gobble up 75% of all new customer additions next year, due to slower DSL speeds and limited deployment of FiOS and U-Verse."
Yeah, you let me know when people can subscribe to something that doesn't exist!
Cable is on the pole(or in the ground), DSL is too slow, FiOS and Uverse are nowhere to be seen... What will you do?
DUH! Get cable!
No blistering symmetrical fiber available?
Well, not alot you or I can do about it, is there?
Move to Santa Clara, CA... 
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funchords
Hello
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
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Re: Additionally
said by SilverSurfer :Case in point: My own rental unit already had the wiring in place by the local cable monopoly. I have considered several times getting DSL instead, however, that would entail a laundry list of inconvenience to me including: (1) Taking time out of work to sit and wait for the DSL provider to show up and split the line into voice and data; (2) Waiting on the local telco monopoly to provision the line, which, as previously experienced elsewhere, took 30-45 days. Cable has many what some consider "unfair" advantages over DSL in more ways than just home ownership sales. This is true but it is also somethings Telcos can and ought to fix.
They have a real "can't do" attitude! |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
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There's splitterless DSL today that uses filters.
There should be no need for a truck roll to install a DSL splitter.
When I had DSL a few years ago, Verizon gave me a self install kit that had the modem, power adapter, phone cord, a CD and a few filters. No tech had to come and install anything. |
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Rick
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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| One can only wonder what the telco industry
will look like in 5 years time.
With 75% of New subs going to the cable operators and years of having their core dsl and land line businesses moving in massive numbers to the likes of Comcast and Time Warner..
what exactly do you have left?
Wireless..Ok. I'll buy that. But that's just a far cry from having lost so much of their core businesses and trying to have competed in a new world of triple play bundles and pricing.
It remains to be seen whether they'll really make any inroads into the tv business. I have serious doubts whether they will because of a couple factors.
First..it's amazingly difficult to move into another companies business like that where there has been such dominance for decades and even in the best of times..it's difficult to do. And that includes the cable co's moving into the phone business. But..they have managed to do it because of the improved quality of digital service and the pricing that bundles offer. It really is the perfect storm that the telcos are facing in that regard.
The big question is..can the telco's duplicate that when it comes to acquiring TV business? I'm not talking about their acquiring the percentage of customers who can't wait to switch or try something new. I'm talking about the masses.
The tens of millions who are so ingrained into their service and what it provides them. AT&T under their various other corporate subsidiaries DID try that before with Americast and other services..that came and went. Can they do it now with what many would argue to be an inferior network than they even had with that service?
It's going to be an amazingly difficult challenge. And, it will be further compounded by one other fact. How will they be able to really compete on price? If you're a company losing all those customers and spending big bucks on a new network..there's nothing synonymous with being able to undercut the established competition. At best..it will be a huge struggle.
Sanford Bernstein analyst Craig Moffett is really the one calling this whole scenario for what it is which is very difficult times lay ahead for the telco's. And it's very difficult to see what can change this in their favor.
I've also come to the conclusion that while it's certainly not technologically superior..AT&T probably does have the right strategy with Uverse versus Verizon and their fios rollout. At least in the shorter term.
These companies are going through nuclear meltdowns when it comes to their core businesses of dsl and landlines.
Picture yourself calling Verizon these days. You hear about this great product called fios. For many people..it may as well be called vaporware because they just can't get it.
And won't be getting it for years to come.
Who's landlines then become more at risk? Who's DSL customers have nowhere to flee to..except to the cable competition?
At the very least AT&T will have an upgrade path there sooner for more people. A chance to say here's 10Mb..to 18Mb hsi service with Uverse. And even if it's still not available for a huge number of people..they can get it to them quicker before the final titanic telco plunge begins to take shape.
The big problem with the service though is even if it's able to be offered..will people say yes in large enough numbers? What the service is lacking is the technological aspect of it as well as any real catalyst for people to go with it. In large enough numbers anyway.
Tough times ahead for the telcos for sure. The next few years will be very ugly in terms of how this industry is reshaped. This doesn't mean that I think it's a lay down given for the cable co's either. Because it's not.
But it's definitely their game to lose. And one way to do just that will be to ignore a very quick docsis 3.0 rollout and take a wait and see attitude. Any cable co. who wants to win needs to be doing that right now...with all due speed. But..assuming that happens..I think we've entered a whole new ERA for a long time to come.
The Rise of the Machines...Comcast and Time Warner.
Their time has come.
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
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Re: I love..
Your right about that...I live on the perimeter of DSL land, not that I'd want it, but its not an option. So the choice is WOW, Comcrap, or dial-up. And in light of Comcraps new traffic control methods, I'm now considering unplugging. I'm way to impatient for dial up... maybe I'll just see if Mark Goldstein still has his high speed NetZero! 
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Telcos need to dump copper
Cable is eating their lunch. They need to dump the copper and put fiber in its place. Cable can currently offer faster speeds because it isn't limited by twisted pair unshielded wires. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
1 edit | reply to funchords
Re: Additionally
said by funchords :... They have a real "can't do" attitude! in my opinion, it's not the ILECs have a "can't do" attitude, it's they have a "been sitting around on their fat phone and DSL monopoly @ssess for too long and don't know how to compete anymore" attitude.
they were fat, dumb and happy after they killed all the clecs and line sharing died, then cable started real broadband deployment, followed by digital voice, while the telcos sat around until they got hit by the cable truck.
and I'm still not sure they get it. |
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morbo
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Re: Government intervention??
said by baineschile :Japan, S Korea, and a few other countries names have a ton of competition because most people live in a few areas, which geographically cant compare the USA. except that in areas here in the U.S. with the highest density, there is practically no competition and speeds that are still slow.
kinda blows a hole in that argument that it's all about population density. |
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ptrowski
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Putnam, CT
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Re: Additionally
Exactly. With AT&T it all came in a nice little self install box. |
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ptrowski
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Re: One can only wonder what the telco industry
said by Rick :The Rise of the Machines...Comcast and Time Warner. Their time has come. Use the "Rise of the Machines" in the original context and man is that creepy. Asimov should be turning in his grave right now.
I am trying out cable right now again Rick as I said I would, and I will tell you man has it been a rocky start. All credit to the local cable company in trying to make it right, but take a peek.
»Issues tonight?
Those are WILDLY varying speeds for a 10/1 connection. Now they are really working to get this corrected and I applaud them, and this is not a dig at them as they know, but my DSL line never waivered at all even though it was slower. I was consistent at 5.1/652 or so for $45 vs the wildly flucuating $70 10/1 connection.
Remeber, speed is not everything. Price, stability, and satisfaction goes a long way.
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Kearnstd
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Mullica Hill, NJ
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Re: Additionally
what i want to know is why cant DSL just do the buy modem and call it in format like cable. when i first got comcast it took me longer to get to circuit city and back then it did to get HSI on the account and the modem provisioned. knew someone with DSL it tool 30days from the time they ordered until it was turned on.
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | reply to morbo
Re: Government intervention??
The problem is overconsolidation in the industry... all the major companies cover both rural areas and urban areas, and want a single solution for both areas. |
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fiberguy
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join:2005-05-20
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Re: I love..
Enjoy!
I love those that rant on principle claiming they'd move to dial up over any kind of broadband.. I mean, come on.. no one really does that no matter what.
I'd rather pay $40 a month for broadband internet with a generous, the MOST generous, caps of all players (even your DSL that you can't get, is talking about implementing) than take a dial up service for even $10. I'd rather roll up my $10 bill and smoke it than give it to a dial up carrier. 
I know people are bitching about the caps and traffic management now.. however right or justified it may be to those doing it, I think it's premature and time to wait and see. Just like claiming to go dial up, people claim that they are being hurt - while the truth is many don't have a clue if they are anywhere near affected.
When change comes in when the masses notice.. not the few rebel and so-called warriors. (those here at this site) As soon as the masses are affected, change comes.. and even not influenced by the masses, the short-falls in the system are usually worked out anywhere and those management practices are usually lifted anyway.
Basically.. chill for a while becuase I don't think it's as bad for Comcast land as people want it to be.. where I DO feel sorry is AT&T, TWC, and Frontier people. Now THAT is a mess. |
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baineschile
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Sterling Heights, MI | reply to morbo
Re: Government intervention??
Name one city with 50,000+ people that has ONLY ONE ISP |
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Corydon
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Denver, CO
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Re: I love..
Actually, the $32 billion figure is aggregated across 78.5 million subscribers, working out to an average of $407.64 per subscriber per year.
By contrast (using figures from the article) the average per subscriber cost in Japan is $759.08 per year and in Germany is $472.10 per year. China came in by far the cheapest per subscriber-year at $96.46.
In other words, among the three developed nations on the list, the US had the best prices overall.
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11 | reply to ptrowski
Re: Additionally
Actually, anyone too stupid to do a self-install in today's market probably shouldn't have a computer anyway.
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