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<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:31:38 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>[Rant] TTC stops selling tokens</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23383009</link>
<description><![CDATA[All I have to say is what a bunch of greedy f#$ks the TTC is. They have halted the sales of tokens until the fare increase comes into effect because they are "losing" money as a result of token sales at the current rate.

Full story here: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/11/23/tor-ttc-tickets.html]]></description>
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<pubDate>2009-11-23 11:44:46</pubDate>
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<title>Good deal - 1.5 tb Seagate external hard drive</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23369344</link>
<description><![CDATA[I'll be picking one of these puppys up...

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10124537&catid=23795&atab=3&logon=&langid=EN

Edit: Oh my bad...posted in the wrong forum... Please move to Canchat]]></description>
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<pubDate>2009-11-20 09:14:50</pubDate>
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<title>[Rant] what&#x27;s wrong with the new generation ??</title>
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<description><![CDATA[Was stunned today when my son told me this one , my son work in a mall and had to find another job (not needed anymore) so his manager found him another store in the mall but today her ex-girlfriend call's him and tell him his being unrespectfull to her and making her working condition really hard for her and he should call and let go his new job another thing too he was told it's that it's a common rule to not work at the same place of girlfriend and exgirlfriend.

The worst in that it's that we are talking about people of 25 + of age not kids.]]></description>
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<pubDate>2009-11-21 10:10:46</pubDate>
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<title>Erica Ehm still looks great at 48.</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23379184</link>
<description><![CDATA[Used to have a big crush on her during the 80s. Here's how she looked recently. :)]]></description>
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<pubDate>2009-11-22 14:14:18</pubDate>
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<title>Facebook Cures Depression</title>
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<description><![CDATA[So insurance company cuts off benefits.

 quote:...Manulife cited several pictures Blanchard had posted on her social networking website page, including some showing her enjoying herself during a male strip-tease show at a Chippendales bar, celebrating her birthday and bathing in the sun.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gIrsrR0MC9EOlhFJeZcHlvGpHaFg

Be careful what you post !
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All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke.  "Walk the Talk".]]></description>
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<pubDate>2009-11-21 20:59:46</pubDate>
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<title>Tomato juice price?</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23378709</link>
<description><![CDATA[Whats with Heinz tomato juice prices lately. You used to see it on sale for .99 yet its more than doubled and does not go on sale lately. Seems some other tomato products lately too are more expensive like Hunt's tomato sauce.

Was there some sort of bad Tomato crop lately or what?]]></description>
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<pubDate>2009-11-22 11:38:21</pubDate>
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<title>Rogers/Fido LCA changes: Cancel @ ECF=$0 or Get &#x22;Free&#x22; L/D!</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23085310</link>
<description><![CDATA[I quoted the word "Free" in the subject line because it's not actually free L/D, it's compensation for Rogers/Fido taking something away from you, and you receiving this $0/mo L/D as compensation.

(E.G. $1M paid to someone for loss of their dominant hand ain't "Free" money by any stretch).
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

So to the backstory...

Heh, yeah, about this position that LCA (local calling area) is not part of contract(ed) services and thus changes to LCA are not a breach of contract by Rogers/Fido...

In other places (and here at DSLR too) some have presented the notion that the LCA is not part of "The Contract" (which itself is a bit of a misnomer since "The Contract" is comprised of the ToS, additional "Materials", and anything offered by a Rogers/Fido rep + accepted by the customer over the phone {a verbal component/modification of "The Contract"} as long as the latter two items do not conflict with the ToS).

(The CWTA Code of {mis}Conduct {CoC}, though not formally part of "The Contract", may well one day be held by a court of competent jurisdiction as also being a part of "The Contract", in no small part because of both Rog and Fido (+ Bell et al) signed onto the thing by way of the CWTA Board of Directors {where Rogers is the Chair of the BoD via Ken Engelhart who is RCI's Vice President @ Regulatory Affairs, and RCI has another BoD seat as well} and where the CoC itself conveys that the undersigned carriers "promise" some things, esp re 30-days for customers to choose to decline "unfavourable changes" to a contract or cancel their contract with ECF=$0 in response to such "unfavourable changes").

Back to topic: Swine-shampoo! I say (to whose who think the LCA is not part of "The Contract") for this reason:

You *contracted* with Rogers/Fido for cellular service that gave you access to certain calling areaS (note plural) where only local (or airtime) minutes would be charged, or deducted from your monthly 'bucket'. If thereafter the areas you can call using only those minutes (and not incurring L/D charges) is shrunk (or even just changed) there has been made a material, unfavourable change to the services provided under the terms of your contract.

And, well, that's exactly what has happened (effective Oct 15 for Toronto area, other areas already have been changed and/or shall change later; see: http://www.rogers.com/web/content/wireless-plans/wp_long_dist_local_calling ).

Over on HoFo there's been much debate over the matter, and with some encouragement for customers to seek some sort of $0/mo remedy, esp by a noisy (or is that noisome ; ) member by the name of BellVictim, and also TorontoAlex09.

There are now trickling in reports of people achieving the following as remedy for Rogers' (Fido's, too) attempt to breach "The Contract":
- $0/mo for 1,000 Cda-wide L/D minutes for remainder of contract duration (pretty easy to get, actually)
- $0/mo Canada-wide L/D for remainder of contract duration (harder to get - more haggling/escalation)
- cancel contract with ECF=$0 (ECF=early cancel fee) (difficult to get but feasible; you'll have to be tough & persistent)
- (Net yet seen or attempted AFAICT, but reasonable to demand) cancel contract with ECF=$0 AND PORT YOUR CELL NUMBER TO DIFFERENT CARRIER

If you'd like to opine here on the matter might I respectfully suggest you read through the entirety of at least this thread:
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1572104
since much of the debate has already taken place and rehashing and resmashing unsound positions can hopefully be avoided.

To reiterate: 
Yes! you can get $0/mo for 1,000 Cda-wide L/D minutes per month, from Rogers/Fido, as compensation for their changing the LCA.
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;-or-
Yes! you can get $0/mo Cda-wide L/D, from Rogers/Fido, as compensation for their changing the LCA.
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;-or-
Yes! you can use Rogers'/Fido's attempt to breach a contract of their very own composition (i.e. their changing the LCA) as a get-out-of-contract @ ECF=$0 card. You seem to be able to either keep the discounted phone you bought (and forgo the purchase price you paid for it at contract's inception) or return phone to Rogers/Fido and get that initial price paid back to you.

Fido too. (see: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9480454&postcount=42 )

But you have limited time to do this, unless you really want to get into legalese with the carriers. (Rogers & Fido appear to have blundered their legal responsibilities of this notification in various ways; see: http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1571424 )

Like I say, if you want to discuss this issue further here please spend the (admittedly, not inconsiderable amount of) time to read those other threads, esp the first one (HoFo:\\ ... t=1572104).

Assistance may be available here if you evince that you've done the legwork on your end, first, and are not able to get satisfaction from Rog/Fido on your own.

If you attempt to seek remedy from Rogers/Fido please post back with how it turned out for you so that others may learn or be further encouraged.

Other cites:
Rogers' ToS: http://your.rogers.com/about/legaldisclaimer/TOS_Eng.pdf

Fido ToS: http://fido.ca/web/content/terms/fido_terms_and_conditions

CWTA CoC: http://www.cwta.ca/CWTASite/english/codeofconduct.html

RFD discussions:
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=781580
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=780457

HoFo discussions:
(!) http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1572104
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1563087
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1566395]]></description>
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<pubDate>2009-09-26 00:23:51</pubDate>
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<title>[Rant] CFL is a joke!</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23312226</link>
<description><![CDATA[http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/feature/?id=1986

How do you allow an 8-9 record in the playoffs?

Not that it matters with 4 of their 5 QBs hurt.  
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~~Get our troops home...now!!~~]]></description>
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<pubDate>2009-11-08 21:54:18</pubDate>
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<title>[Hockey] Official 09/10 Toronto Maple Leafs Thread</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23036579</link>
<description><![CDATA[In order to keep all Leafs discussions in one thread (it worked out well last season), I figured we could discuss all Leafs talk in here.  Feel free to post your game by game analysis, comments about player performances, etc.

GO LEAFS GO! :)
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Today's motto: Dearly beloved, We are gathered here today to bid farewell to personal responsibility and accountability.]]></description>
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<pubDate>2009-09-16 22:20:39</pubDate>
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<title>[Hockey] THE 2009-2010 Ottawa Senators thread.</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23045954</link>
<description><![CDATA[Because we'll win the Cup, of course!  :D

Is tonight's game against the Montreal Losers on television?

Lineup for Sept. 18th:

Goaltenders: Pascal Leclaire, Robin Lehner.

Defence: Chris Campoli, Matt Carkner, Alexandre Picard, Jared Cowan, Brian Lee, Geoff Kinrade.

Centres: Jason Spezza, Peter Regin, Zack Smith, Cody Bass.

Right Wing: Daniel Alfredsson, Chris Neil, Jesse Winchester, Jeremy Yablonski.

Left Wing: Milan Michalek, Ilya Zubov, Chris Kelly, Christoph Schubert. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>2009-09-18 14:25:15</pubDate>
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